Learn, Share, Grow. Together.
This was the spirit of Social Media Club. This is what drives our interest in bringing people together back then, and now.
We > Me.
But it is so much more than that.
Back in the fall of 2021, after an exchange with Jeremiah Owyang and Peter Shankman (one of our speakers) on Twitter, Chris opened his eyes to the real potential of NFT’s. Far from the simplicity of the mainstream media coverage as an easily copyable digital art play, plagues with scams, he researched more deeply and discovered the real utility, the real value, and the real potential for NFT’s and other Web 3 technologies to serve humanity.
But that was/is not the story of the day.
Seeing the potential for this technology to fulfill many of his original visions for the global, societal impact he envisioned for social media, Chris immediately set upon a path to shape the conversation, and shape our future by bringing together people through Web 3.1
Having previously hosted Web 2.1 in late 2005, where the mantra was “The Point is People”, this is not only a continuation of that legacy, but perhaps a final realization of that original vision. The vision for cooperation, for community ownership, and for co-elevation. A chance to create a world in which I am better off, when you are better off, and society is better off as a result.
Concerned about credibility here, coming into this conversation after so much work has already been done, we almost cancelled our plans. Thankfully, after speaking further with co-host Tina Hui and other Web 3 leaders, we realized that Social Media Club was an early exemplar of the core principles of Web 3, embodied, and brought to life.
Social Media Club was not only community led, but it was decentralized, borderless, and co-owned by it’s members. In short, if it existed at the time, Social Media Club would have been a DAO.
Listen in and hear the story, our purpose, and some details about the upcoming event from Chris and Kristie directly, with the expert show hosting from Jennifer Navarette.
Transcript:
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Welcome to the web 3.1 unconference weekly space now, what is web 3.1 unconference and who are the folks putting this event together? Well, by the time we finish this first show, we'll have the answers to those questions and more. Hello, my name is Jennifer Nava. I'm a Podcast Producer award winning social media strategist, community builder and most recently, a web three blockchain content creation enthusiast, I am joined by Chris Heuer, Christy wells and hopefully, Tina, we who are the founders and lead organizers of the web 3.1 unconference. Now those names sound familiar. That's because Chris and Christie co founded Social Media Club back in 2006, when social media was first beginning to see the light of day and well before it became something the world used to communicate globally. They are what we would call pioneers and early adopters, and they saw that the world would need to learn to use these new communication tools. And with Social Media Club, they set the framework for how folks like myself could not only learn about these tools, and use cases, but as local chapter leaders could also share what we were learning with our local communities. Now, if you've ever heard me talk about learn, share, grow and how I apply that concept to just about everything I do. These are the folks who coined that phrase as Social Media Club. Now. We will go into I share that history lesson with you because it should come as no surprise that Chris and Christie as well as Tina have formed a web 3.1 unconference to answer those same questions and galvanize a community around the new web three technology. It's easy to see that web three in the blockchain is going to continue to dominate the news cycle and the way that we communicate and do business is changing. So welcome, Chris. And Christy.
1:34
Thank you so much, Jennifer.
1:36
Jennifer, glad to be here.
1:39
Well, can I just say, before we get underway, how much I love you, you just did such an awesome kickoff. I forget what that level of professionalism looks like that that is really amazing. I mean, obviously, it's really something I know, you're skilled, obviously, you've been doing this for a long time now. And we've watched you grow. Like that was really awesome. Thank you very much.
2:02
Oh, thank you. Well, so let's I we've got some questions. I've got some questions. And not just me. I'm sure the folks in here and the folks who are gonna listen to the replay have questions as well. Let's lay the framework for the web 3.0 unconference which is happening on March 1, right, and essence three, one, with what inspired you to create another movement driven by community with web 3.1? I mean, you all already, you know, change the world with social media cloud, what was it about web three that caused you to go we've got to do this again. But let's do it again, and potentially do it even better?
2:33
Well, first of all, as you probably know, and some other people do, as well, because I've been a little bit a little bit cheeky about it. We didn't we didn't complete what we set out to do, or what I set up. There. Definitely. I mean, look, we accomplished a lot, I know for a fact that there's hundreds of babies that were born. You know, more than what that number of weddings, and God knows how many businesses and careers and you know, the ability for people to be included step up and, and advance themselves and grow. And, you know, that idea at the core of that was essentially the same idea is at the core of web three. Now. We were decentralized already through our network structure. We were actually all about like, co ownership, because we actually had a community mark that other people were able to customize to each town, and we all owned it. And we all really kind of in the movement, not only not at the beginning, you know, the first membership we were trying to sell to get it was a co founder membership, because we really wanted people to have that sense of ownership. And if we were, you know, had these technologies web three back then we would have been a doubt. Anyways, Chris, yeah. Oh, wait, you say a couple of words before I kind of explained what happened to get us here. But please jump in. I mean, basically,
3:52
I just, you know, stuck at home for the last two years working remotely. And we just need another excuse to gather our community together. So I say that kind of half jesting, but half in jest. But, um, Chris, you know, shared that really nicely. I think for us, it's, you know, having access to increase I'm gonna have you go on mute when you're not talking because I'm, but there's, you know, going through this and just knowing that technology continues to innovate and advance and that there's, you know, we want to see what we can do to try to help bring those folks together, and, you know, form a group of educators to, you know, repeat what we did with Social Media Club, and I'm excited to see where this goes.
4:34
Yeah, and then really the inspiration for it was, again, a personal journey. When I, you know, Tina has been doing follow the coin as one of her blogs, podcasts, you know, publications that almost 10 years, and so we've been connected with it, and our dear friend Brian xist, has been hosting the future of money where I've spoken several times on social capital, alternative currencies and a bunch of other stuff over the yours. And we met Vitaly, before cerium. Right. And we met all the Bitcoin guys after it was only maybe a year or two old. But we just never really saw it as a team. And in fact, there was a couple of times we tried to buy a wallet, it all into it, because we're like, Oh, we got to get in now. It's big dip that happened a while back about five years ago. We're like, we got to get in it. But we couldn't get our wallet set up and tech savvy. You know, I mean, I've been programming since sixth seventh grade, which is now some, you know, 40 some years. But I just couldn't get it. It was too complicated. The language was too exclusionary still. And really, the reality of that. That's what happens every time. You know, the early adopters and pioneers are, you know, gearheads and engineers, they are techie. They love the tech for the tech field a lot of time. And we get to this point where if we look at Geoffrey Moore's model on Crossing the Chasm, you know, there's something that happened to move it from those early adopters to being the early majority, where it starts to enter the mainstream. And, you know, that's what I saw finally happening over the last several months. And Jeremiah Oh, Wang, of course, is really deep expert now in NF T's and blockchain and all this stuff going on. But he was talking about another NF T at one point on Twitter, and I jumped in and I'm like, Oh, no way, this is a scam. I'm not kidding in it. In fact, the articles this week, there are several more about this. And people can just copy. Not only that, but the right behind NF T's are so confusing and so desperate in terms of how people set them up differently. People don't always know what they're buying.
It's really just speculations on securities at the end of the day in a lot of ways. But collectibles themselves are cool. I mean, in fact, I was at the US Mint, the federal government agency back in 99 2000, luxury Commerce program. And so there I studied collectibles, you know, and everything from the little dolls, to Beanie Babies, to Coca Cola, merchandise, to coins, and all the rest of this stuff. An average person back then the statistics that they have sticks collection in a life, that they would kind of wine. There's some things that are going on there that I think are good, but I was like this bullshit. I'm not going to get involved in it. And then Peter Shankman actually tagged the tweet and said, This isn't good as well. So I respect Peter a lot, too. Obviously. I've known him for a long time. And I, and I'm like, oh, let's look at it really right then is when I started researching it, teaching myself and took Don Tapscott blockchain course on Coursera. And got into a couple of the other courses, instead of really understanding what it was and reached out to a lot of my friends like slo mo Rabinowitz. And Horace Mann and others who ended up teaching me is going on right now. And I'm like, Holy shit, this is everything that we've been talking about for 25 years. And it's finally enabled by this technology. So I'm like I, we have the language for this. Not only that, we've tried to do this before. And look, we're at a point right now, where there's a lot well, there's a lack of ethics, at the core of a lot of conversations. And there's a ton of really amazing people who actually mean to change the world with this decentralized technology. Perhaps they just don't realize that average people don't care about the centralized. They care about what he does for them. So very much the things that are going on now with web three of the things that went on with, you know, web two, web one, the PC revolution, network, PC revolution, and you know, its history, you know, Reimann again. So I saw it as an opportunity for us to come in and actually finally deliver on what has been my lifelong pursuit to actually bring more fairness into the world, to actually empower more people to have sovereignty over their lives. And as we started looking at it, and examinate over the last couple of months, Michael moon and Steven GaNS in this group that I'm part of the way makers really framed it quite well. They came back to this idea that we're moving now from the sharing economy, to the CO ownership economy, from the Creator economy to the CO creator economy. And the net effect is Ko elevation. They create new structures with these new technologies, specifically on tokens on NF T's and dowels to create a broader shared ownership. And of course, we can go into what how that works later on. But you know, that I was studying co ops in 1995. We were studying time banks in 1995, with my first company, which was virtual community network. So I've got like, not only the language, but we also have some real grassroots economic patterns and a bunch of those people who have been doing that for decades that we're actually bringing into this, and we're gonna teach them the technology
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I can completely understand why you wanted to take the reins on this, when I can tell you that I have been investigating this space for since March in a serious capacity since March. And I've been kind of going it with a few close friends just kind of doing it as me as Jennifer as an individual person as a podcaster. Trying to learn this as I go, when I heard that you and Christie, were going to rally and champion this initiative, I was like, thank goodness, somebody who knows how to put who knows how to gather a global force of early adopters and pioneers together, is going to take the reins on this. And I was like, What can I do to support this initiative? What can I do to share what you guys are doing. And that's kind of what we're doing. Now, this is a piece of that as we lean as we get closer towards that we're going to be doing these weekly. And so you mentioned about the wallets, Chris, and how it was so hard to get things started. It's still hard to get things started even all these years later. And there's so many folks who are being bombarded with talk of web three, or what we more commonly work at web 3.0. Or we more commonly referred to as web three, they're hearing about NF T's or hearing about cryptocurrencies or hearing about the blockchain. And for folks who follow me, they're also hearing about the blockchain as a content creation destination, which is a totally different aspect, and yet not so totally different, because it all ties in. So it's a lot to take in. And those of us even those of us who are considered early adopters, I can tell you that I deal with a lot of overwhelm myself. And I'm like you, I'm pretty techie geeky, I can kind of muck around and stuff and figure things out. But there is so much to learn, and so much to understand, and what's the practical application of these tools of these platforms? How does this work in my everyday life? Does it make my everyday life better? And if it does, and in what way? Can I utilize that? And then what can it replace things that are not so great. And so when we look at that, there's a whole lot of that pioneer spirit that encouraged us to press forward and investigate these new tools and new technologies to discover practical use cases. And the way that we I think of us, as early adopters and pioneers is that we're kind of forging the path, right? Where it's the Wild West, and there's not a road, right? It's not like there's a smooth paved roadway for folks to travel on. Right now. It's, you know, tumbleweeds, and, and rocks. And it's kind of rough. And so we need to go in there and kind of pave the way for everyone else as pioneers. So what would you say to folks who are looking at web three and feeling overwhelmed?
12:22
Well, first of all, you're right. Totally on that. That's actually the other problem. I just remember sitting in my office in South Beach in 1995, when we started our first interactive agency, with that same sort of overwhelm I have now as I tried to navigate through all the different chains, and the different nets that they transfer on, and even just kind of understanding that broad architecture. And every day, there's something new, you know, just yesterday, near, you know, this VR, basically sort of Dow and coin, and God knows what else it's gonna be, it's gonna be all these different things, just launched yesterday, and I'm like, Oh, shit, how am I gonna get up on this, I'm still like three stories in different blockchain behind is trying to make sense of it. So the first thing I would say is not to worry about it. Second thing is, is that if you are somebody who has a little money, and you have the ability to invest, and possibly more importantly, to lose $100, or $500 1000, whatever that is, that's great, then then go ahead and jump in and get somebody to get it to get you online, get you a wallet, get you to understand which of these coins are, understand how to trade them, and how to how to do it and play with it, and you can lose it and it's not gonna, it's not going to be straight. That's all pretty much we've done with it. But what we're talking about right now is more specifically crypto. And what we're going to be talking about with everyone is crypto. It's not about the securities, it's not about creating a new fiat currency. It's not about you know, getting something that's going to be 1,000x return and make you into a billionaire. It's about the practical use of this technology into our everyday lives. And anyway, Janet, original question, I just sent it off off of it. So let me get back to it with you. What can you get me back on points that I can answer it directly? Again,
14:16
you actually did answer it directly. Because I was asking you what do you say to folks who are looking at web three and feeling overwhelmed and you're saying go in easy. Play around with it with money, that doesn't actually matter. But even then, when I talk about the blockchain content creators, I'm telling folks to if they're going to use the blockchain as a content creation destination, play around with it, like, you know, push the buttons, pull the lever, see what it does, but do it in a really low pressure way so that you're not, you know, syncing all of you know, not putting all of your money on black or red, right? You're not rolling the roulette wheel. You're just kind of trying to poke around and see what works for you. And I really do feel that you did. Christy, do you have anything to add to that?
14:55
Yeah, thanks, Jennifer. I was gonna just reiterate that because I think that was you know, we've been Playing with crypto for a couple of years. And when all this started to really kind of just take into, I don't want to say mainstream, but it seems most of our network was all of a sudden starting to talk about, even though they might have been working on this, you know, web three technologies for 5678 years. It just feels like all this in the last three months or so it just kind of hit Twitter and hit Twitter hard. And I started to feel really bad case of FOMO of like, Oh, my God, we're so late. We're so late in this, you know, but I think to Chris's point, and yours, too. It's, it's really just, you know, what little tiny bites can you take? What's the one thing Don't worry about trying to learn it all, like maybe just focus on NF T's or maybe just focus on blockchain? What that means. And then, you know, sometimes it's crypto is the gateway to get people in. But I think that it's so complex, and we're still in the, it is so similar to the early days of web two, which eventually became like social media, right? It's so insider baseball right now, every who's in it and has been in it is very good about talking the talk. But, you know, I think it's really just trying to find one little piece that you can digest it, get that under your belt, then move on. And you know, not worry about FOMO because, you know, this is it's going to be a decade in the making, you know, and just because now Facebook is talking about it. So true Twitter, Twitter just did that hexagon avatar, now you can spend, you know, $400 a year to have your avatar in a special shape, but I still can't edit my tweets. You know, I mean, there's things that are coming, and they're coming fast. You know, when
16:28
you tweeted that I got it correctly. That's in Twitter, blue, you can get it your tweet, so you get that.
16:33
Okay. All right. So I guess I just need to start paying Twitter money, I guess is what it all comes down to. But anyways, I think as you start to, and you start to hear this more and more as brands like a Walmart or a Disney are like, yes, we're going to have our own Metaverse, you know, we're going to have our own little worlds that you can come in and play in that it's just again, find one little piece, start diving in learning it, get comfortable with the language, start simulating it and then branch out.
16:59
Out on this rose, I saw your hand go up. So we'll get to here in a sec. But I also wanted to add because Chris is right talking about the metaverse of this whole web three is so many different technologies. You know, Mark Taylor keeps yelling at us about this to make sure that it's not just blockchain. And it is so much more than that. But the underlying infrastructure that the blockchain provides to create things that can't be faked, right, I mean, a lot of people still are like, what's non fungible? Well, that means immutable or unchangeable, or like it's on your permanent record. So I guess schools are going to be turning to that very quickly, right, if they haven't already. But there's also things you can do like, and again, I challenge recommending Facebook for anything, given the amount of privacy they have problems with, but you know, the quest to is phenomenal, it's helping me lose weight, I'm running virtual collaboration meetings in their meeting with friends of mine from around the world in different spaces inside of it. You know, yes, playing games and, and learning and doing so much more. And it's just really a phenomenal experience, and supernatural for the workout program. And it helps so many people to lose weight in such a different dynamic workouts at home. But the other thing I want to add on on the crypto side is everyone is going to need a wallet to participate in some way as an identity. So the one thing I just want to come back and add on top of what we said earlier, is if you don't have a lot of money to lose, then you know, go in with a couple of friends 20 bucks each or something and get one together. And just kind of share that and do a couple of things. Find a buddy you trust or somebody who can actually be your teacher and guide. And I know actually, because we've been talking to a lot of educators and evangelists and entrepreneurs in this space, which is who we're really trying to serve here with web three, one, those early adopters, we're gonna bring on the rest of society, the other organizations. And they've done that for a lot of people. They've been essentially taken custodial positions, and looking after people's wallets with small amounts of dollars. So there's a bunch of different ways to do it. And that's actually what we want to figure out together. At web three, one at this unconference is to kind of raise it. And that's where the theme of the conference is, what will it take to deliver on the promise of web three. And we know what it's going to take is a lot of individuals, helping others to learn the technology to understand the implications of it, the need for higher security, the responsibilities that come along with it, and the opportunities for co creation, especially whether it's co creating podcasts, or a course, or a book, or if it's co creating a business. All that stuff now is going to be much easier. Well, in a couple of years, it'll be much easier. Still another hurdle, right? But it's gonna become much easier. So like the three of us or the four of us now You know, if we wanted to, I imagine there's going to be a time where we're going to be able to go online, each put in $100 $50 5000, whatever it might be into a down Treasury, and each have a mechanism of ownership to control those funds, and have a voice in the vote, and have more than that. And we're gonna see this huge explosion of startups between all of these people who have been resigning from all the retail workers who have quit because they've been treated too shitty for too long by too many people. And I think we're really on the cusp of like, a massive human evolutionary phase. And that's where we know and again, coming back to why doing it is that we know somebody needs to be the voice for integrity, ethics, standing up for doing the right thing, and give states to other people who share those values, to come together as a force to make that world more of a reality. And I think one of the different things that we're doing this time that we learned from last time is we did a lot of talking last time, we did a lot of workshops and conferences and meetups and things like that. This time, we're going to do more, we're going to do more projects, we're gonna look for open standards that need to be created. We're gonna do more research into like, what types of data structures work and a lot of other areas that we still have to unearth by talking to more people. So I'm sorry, I keep going on.
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Tina has joined us, Tina, let me give Tina an intro Tina, we as a serial entrepreneur, executive and innovators here is currently founding the gauge a community platform collective in support of meaningful innovation, leadership and living by the way, Tina, totally dig what you're doing. In 2013, she produced and founded the advocacy education and media platform, follow the coin, and has and has also been advising and working on a few positive projects in the web three space, inclusive of Galeria dot XYZ Akash network, and if you greentech cybersecurity and Tech for Good initiatives, Tina, welcome. We appreciate you being here.
22:04
Hi, thank you. And Jennifer, I'm a huge fan of what you're doing. And of course, what Chris and Christie are always doing, and glad to be here.
22:12
And well. So let me ask you the question that Chris and Christie just answered. And it really has to do with overwhelm. I mean, you're someone who is very deeply involved in the space, but what do you tell folks who are new who are looking at web three, and just feeling so overwhelmed by everything that's coming at them at what feels like 100 miles per hour?
22:32
Oh, this is a really good question. To be honest, I think I've been in the space since 2013. And even back then, candidly, it was overwhelming. So I think it's unfortunately, the nature of the beast, you have to, you know, I actually think there's a lot of great effort right now in this space, where people are actually trying to create spaces and listservs and lists of places where, you know, we can actually be supportive of people coming into the space and people even in the space, a long time, new jargon, new technology, new everything is happening at all speeds all hours of the day, the internet does not sleep. And so I do know that Kraken is a really good resource for educational content around, you know, the space. They're doing a lot Jessie's in a lot of really great educational videos. And there are other different entities that are also being education supportive. They're pretty awesome. And so like, I would definitely sign up for a few key newsletters as well. And maybe you know, what we I think it's been a project that people have kind of mentioned here or there, I think we will do it, I want to create a wiki. So maybe we'll hear Fine, I'll create a wiki. And we're going to all put in the best things that we can possibly find, to kind of guide people and make a sense of all of these resources that are out there. Because Pantera capital has a really amazing newsletter. You know, Kraken has their content, a bunch of different publications are doing a pretty decent job. And I think it's it is really noisy, and it is really hard. And I guess that's why we're here to try and put some sense to all of the noise, right and some structure.
24:13
And just on top of that, Oh, God. So just yesterday, I was trying to explain to some people the vision for, you know, the organization in the community that hopefully comes from this, it seems like it will given the current feedback and interest that we're seeing. And I was speaking of it as a guild of Guild. And I mean, and everything. You could say a group of group, a team of teams with lots of other ways. But then, you know, literally five minutes after I got off that call, I got the Bankwest newsletter. And here's like a full 2530 minute read on sub Dells, which actually described what I was trying to describe to my friend. Right. So it looks like I didn't have time to read it all and then there's 50 resources They put together. So you really do have to also to get into this set aside the time to learn, just like I had to do with Coursera and passguides blockchain course and everything else, as we thought to do time blocking in our lives, to block out that time where you can watch an educated educational video, you can take a course you can read deep on something, you can really explore it. I also rose, I had invited you up to speak because you had had your hand raised before, if you want to go ahead and do that would be great to have you up here.
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Well, while we're on that, Chris, I think it's really important of some of this technology is super frustrating. You know, when I went in to set up my eth wallet, you know, it took me probably three days in total, to get it done. Because every time I would go, like I read everything I needed to do, right to get this set up. And I'm like, Okay, I got it. I'm smart, I can make this happen. And then also, I got hit with these things like gas fees, right. And so as much education as you think you have, it may not actually be enough. So my whole recommendation is just to keep pushing through, ask questions. The thing that's really lovely, like, a lot of people are throwing things into the web three hashtag on Twitter. And I had a great conversation with a couple folks in the Cardano community the other day, cuz I had some questions. I was just trying to figure some things out. There's so many people out there who are willing to help. And so I think it's like, be open and even vulnerable. Like, for me, I am 100% Noob. When it comes to web three technology, even though I've been trading crypto for four years, like there's, there's so much that's untapped here. And you just have to keep plugging through and pushing it and keep reading and experiment. And it'll happen, you know, and
26:43
Docker did well. And actually, as Boris reminded me when I told that the other day, that represents the real cost of the transaction, right, that's a whole different problem. But yeah, but I just wanted to say to have Dr. Wells call herself a new that I've got to put this in the record books. I'm sorry.
27:02
Specifically on web three on everything.
27:05
Oh, my. Hey, Rose, how are ya? You're up. Mike. Yeah, your word she got? Yeah, Rose,
27:18
we can't hear you. She might be on desktop. We're rose. You're we don't hear you unless you're on the mobile version of Twitter. Hi.
27:27
There we go. We got your thank you very much.
27:30
Thank you. I think mistakenly I press the talk button. To raise my hand. I just want to say that I think it's the third space I've been in, Jennifer. I guess one question I would have as a journalist is, you know, how good a job is our journalists? The mainstream? Like it's not not tech publications, explaining what blockchain web, you know, because I was just in a group and they said, Well, no, you can't even capitalize w you know, it has to be a small w for web three. And like, I think Christie, Christie, or Tina was just saying that it's hard, you know, people were throwing the hashtag out with, you know, web three. And what does that really mean? So, so how can I, myself as a journalist, or what can I do to? To do the base, you know, my job, you know, I've got a business journals. But as you can hear, I'm a newbie this, but I think there's a need to understand how to explain what this is all about.
28:40
Well, let me knock that simple one out early, which is, AP style guy doesn't have a standard for capitalization. Right now, it can go either way. You know, broadly speaking, I see the capitalization. That's what we did with web two. Just following that precedent. You know, that's, that's simple enough. But no, the mainstream media has done a terrible job. But they've also they're doing what they need to do to sustain journalism. So I don't begrudge it necessarily on all that as well. You know, it's the Constitution. It's the guys who bought the golf course it's, you know, they didn't do it, but somebody will try to buy the Mona Lisa or something, right. Like, those are big, powerful headline, traffic driving stories. Because the reality as Tina was saying earlier, at the beginning, it was complicated. It's still complicated, and it's getting more complicated. And it's getting more complicated because of the I hate to say it, but we got to call it out the scammers and hucksters and the people out there pumping and dumping manipulating coins and the rest of the stuff. There's just a good article in quartz on this the other day and then there's another publication earlier this week that I can't remember talking about the amount of fraud that's happening with NF T's in the art world now. You know, the art world was always pirated technology was always money laundering, internationally and elsewhere and so many other things because He says his paintings worth $5 million, or $5. Well, you know, if there's room there for some, some slots, right. But back to the other stuff, you know, I, again, my whole thing and looking at it was on the sensationalism of the mega and get rich quick millionaires overnight. And as I've been looking around, we have found so many community organizations, or just communities that have formed within these data structures, to do climate change to, you know, to clean the waters to actually serve local communities, we're going to have an entire track at web three, one on community startup ecosystem. I mean, like, what is Portland doing because we're talking to Richard cozy who's gonna help me to track on that we've got Mark Montero has been involved in startup ecosystems, not only across North America, but in South America and elsewhere in the world, and what's necessary to sustain. And one of the things that I'm most interested in, and we're going to have another Trek, talking about the leadership issues of the type of leader that needs to like, govern with that sort of an element of a benevolent dictator in some places, but it's also a lot of people who still believe consensus is an easy mechanism, instead of being the place where great dreams go to die, because we don't get consensus, we get the sort of gridlock we have now with our legislative body, right. And, you know, ultimately, there needs to be a leader who's in charge, who's looking for the best interest of everyone who can be transparent, who can actually lift people up, and in understanding a broader array of what's really happening here and the impacts and has a real song, purpose behind the work that actually is what galvanizes people together. But we look back, it's Social Media Club. The one thing and I saw this right away so early because of when we met people like Jennifer, Connie Reese, and so many others that we've been fortunate to become friends with actually consider part of our family was that the idea of our mantra, which was if you get it, share it, like that was a shared value. And it wasn't it was a really short story that explained this idea. If you understand something, don't shame people, because they don't don't, you know, bring arrogance into it. I got a whole longer life story on why that came up for me. But, you know, what can we do to lift people up? What can we do to share what we know, so that people can understand what's happening, and much as before with our first T shirts, you know, I'm thinking back to the idea of one farmer talking to another farmer, the first farmer has full bountiful crops and the second one doesn't. And the first one is able to share from Thiede and help share that feed of knowledge in order for them both to have, you know, data flow crops and do well. And that actually also gets to a subject. So part of my other purpose here is that I have a belief and we believe it's really expressed well in the idea of CO elevation, that if you're better off, I'm better off, and we as a society are better off. And that looking for those Win Win Win situations isn't as hard as it may seem. But it's not easy and happening often. So we have to actually work for it. And we can't just allow, as I learned earlier last year, we can't just go with the flow, we have to go after the flow, we actually have to generate that sort of energy in order to make it happen. And so you taking on the you know, is it your opening question? How is it being covered now, and what are we missing? That's perfect sort of question now.
33:39
You know, one of the things that you mentioned, Chris, was that we're about the web 3.1 unconference, right obviously, this is the title of the space, this is the title of the discussions that we will have weekly going forward. But let's dive into that. You know, what is you know, it's happening on Tuesday, March 1, and you could have gone the traditional conference route with this. But why go with an unconference route when we're looking at something like this, and I will throw it I guess, let's maybe we can start with Christie and then Tina, and then come back to you, Chris, to round us out. Christy, what was it about an unconference model that made it an attractive option for the web? 3.1?
34:13
Well, I think it's it, the important thing for us is always to make sure that all voices are heard. And for us the unconference model gives that opportunity for people to raise their hand and say, I'm really passionate about this topic, or I have questions about this topic. I'd like to hold the space open to ensure that there's some learning opportunities that take place around this. And you know, the way that this the conference memory is all Chris, like, I am taking no credit for this, but for me, it was, you know, as we were looking at this, it just feels right, it feels like well, there'll be some pre planned sessions, because we want to make sure certain things get covered. We have very set intentions, you know, to move this thing forward. We wanted to make sure there were some opportunities for people just to to jump in and just say, You know what, I really appreciate all these other conversations. I want to talk about this. So that's my thoughts on it. But I'll turn it over to Tina and Chris.
35:05
I do want to say, well, I, I've been speaking to some of, I guess they call us the Oh, geez. Now the ones that have been here, since like 2012 and beyond, or 13, which I'm like, Okay, we're really old. But I was talking to them about joining this unconference, and they love it too. And I think part of that is leaving, like, Christie, were just talking about format earlier today. And it's like, leaving it up to the speakers to define how they wish best wish to be featured, is kind of key, I think, to be fair and honest, there have been so many of these money 2020s There's been coin agenda, there's, everything has an agenda, then nobody's gonna get to hear new voices, interesting voices, interesting perspectives, and like, actually build a collaborate and CO elevate or do any innovation. Right. So I think I think the unconference is actually brilliant. And it's something that's very needed in this space, forever, I think tech can become sort of an echo chamber of just the loudest voices in the room. And sometimes they're not the best, sometimes they are. But sometimes, we also just need to hear other people's perspective. And there are a lot of projects that don't get airtime that actually are doing incredible work. And it could be the introvert in the room, who has the kind heart and the caring leadership that actually could provide something meaningful, which is actually Vitalik is quite an introvert, you know, and he's only gotten louder now that, you know, he launched and, you know, over time and getting comfortable, and so we need to hear those voices. And those are important.
36:39
I love the unconference model personally, I'm one of those OG folks that was doing pod camp and bar camp and, you know, tweet camp and those kinds of things back in 2007 on so again, when I heard that you guys were going this route, I was like, What can I do to make this a success? What can I do to help what you are doing, because I'm just such a fan. And the fact that you all are leading the charge, I believe, I know that it's going to be a success and that people's lives will be impacted, because I am someone whose life was impacted by the work that you did with social media clubs. So Chris unconference? What was it about it that you were like, this is the way?
37:16
Well, you know, you probably don't remember because it didn't work. Last time. I tried to do it. But there was a time at South by Southwest were one of the side events that I tried to put together with unconference to kind of bring that back because it died out. You know, certainly word camp is still happening and word camp, unconference sort of format, and there's a few others that are out there. But, you know, at one time, there was three or four of them every weekend. And, you know, for me, all the things that Christie and Tina just said are so important. But it really comes down to enabling participation, enabling, as Tina was saying, but what I would say as getting the doer is the opportunity to get in front of people talk about what they're doing, and find other people who are also passionate about it. And what we found coming out of this was BarCamps, it is indeed at the heart of actually the ad hoc, Liam brand, which other consultancy, is the idea that there isn't one necessarily single approach that will always work best. And what we found was as we moved from BarCamp, to brain jams, web two, one and web two, two and social media and a bunch of other unconferences, and social media camp and other stuff we did was that a mix of structured and unstructured, worked very well. And it was about finding, not that balance, but about finding a harmony between the two. And that's what we're looking for here. And just to purists out there, it's not just open space throughout the whole time. It's not just all in conference. But throughout the unconference day will not only have openspace sessions, it'll be planned by the participants. And we don't know what they are yet, although we are kind of directing them into several different tracks that are issues that are very important in order to deliver on the promise of web three. But we will also have a World Cafe, which is a really wonderful way to facilitate solution development ideation, and also for people to meet each other and have those meaningful conversations in small groups. And anyway, I won't explain that whole thing here. But we also have networking sessions throughout the day using our friend Lawrence Coburn's technology twine. And by the way, the whole the whole conference, we went ahead and went for a little bigger thing to make sure that the capacity so we're running the entire event on hoppin, and then we're going off to use a couple of other collaborative technologies in between. And I guess the last point about the unconference is you know, we did this with web 2.1 other meaning to go, you know, kind of hits off Tim O'Reilly although apparently I did, but was $2,800 for that first web two conference. And at the time web two was about open source tech, it was about API's, it was about being able to develop stuff finally in the cloud, so it didn't cost, you know, $100,000 to get a server set up to run a website, all that stuff. And most of the people we knew didn't have that kind of money. So we really don't want money to be an object in the way that or, yeah, we don't want money to prevent people from being able to participate. So we'll find ways to do scholarships for other stuff. But there's a free ticket, there's going to be a $99 ticket, which is for the recordings have the main sections and a bunch of other things. But then there's actually what is really cool, I hope, and what it seems like more and more people are excited about, which is actually a down ticket. And that'll actually basically give them the rights to participate in the governance of the organization that comes from this. So the day after the unconference on the second we're having a basically a governance formation conversation, likely mostly in open space, following an unconference sort of format, where we're going to raise what are the issues of governance that really matter to the people who are making. So I don't want to just come out and say, this is the way things are, I really want to co create this with people like you and, and Tina and Christy and everyone else out here. And all the people that we were able to talk with last Friday, who were a big part of making Social Media Club happened last time, because they're storytellers are educators, we know their hearts are in the right place. And it's a heck of a place to start with such a rich global network of amazing people to be able to make it happen. And if we didn't have you and, and several other people now supporting it, I probably would have dropped out or anybody. Thank you again.
41:54
You guys make it easy to want to pitch in and to be part of all of this. So let's let's grab our crystal balls, folks, let's let's grab our crystal balls. Let's look into the future. And let's say and let's take a look at the we can look at the past really quickly because we can remember when social media was very early adopter pioneer. And all of a sudden, we fast forward now and it's mainstream. It's just part of how everybody does everything. If you're going to launch a business, you've got a nonprofit, if you're someone who was just an individual, we're all using the same tools. But now let's let's look at our crystal balls and look at web three, and participation on the blockchain and Dows. And really using it to its full extent as a technology that's meant to be an asset or a tool for us to use. How long do you think it will be before web three and blockchain and all of these tools becomes more mass, the mass adoption happens and it becomes mainstream? Christy, you mentioned 10 years is that is that your guest?
42:49
Me? No, cuz he didn't talk about this. I love your take on this.
42:54
Um, you know, I don't know, it's funny, I think back to the early days in like, 2004 2005, when we started to talk about web two. And then in 2016, we actually launched Social Media Club. And I remember, I feel like it took six, seven years or so to actually get businesses to understand why they really wanted to integrate social media into their organizational plan. And, you know, and maybe, you know, they've learned since then, and people are adopting technology much more quickly nowadays. So a decade is, is not good, what it's going to take, but I think my point was really, you know, I had FOMO, literally a month ago going I know nothing about these NF T's. What the heck, I've totally missed out on this market. And, you know, I realized, there's still so much more to come, and it's in three years from now, it might be something my parents are talking about, or not, you know, I mean, they may not give a crap about this. So it's hard to say, I wish I had the crystal ball on that, Jennifer, I just think for us, it's the understanding that there's no, it's not too late, just to get in there and start checking it out. Some people will never care about this. And some people will never want to buy an NFT or learn about the blockchain or a former Dow right. And that's totally cool. But I think that just going back on experience, how long it took people to actually try to innovate and get those educational resources together. It's not going to happen overnight.
44:26
So and Tina, anything to add to that?
44:30
Well, I also know there is something to that barrier entry that Rose was speaking to and to your point, again, there's like unstoppable domains and people are trying to make dictionaries and I think until that jargon stops becoming such a foreign language, and the barriers to entry become less and it's easier. You don't have to sign up and be like, Oh my gosh, I need a wallet. I mean, which wallet and then suddenly you're looking at 100 wallets and going okay, I give up. That's not a good UX.
45:00
No, no. And then you're like cold wallet, or hot wallet. And what does that mean? So yeah, there's still a lot of terminology and understanding to go into that. So Chris, you know, we're looking at this as developing in public. And I absolutely love that you all are very comfortable doing so because you're building this framework, you're building this organization, you're building this, but you're building it with us alongside you, and maybe a little bit behind you. But then we're all kind of pulling and pushing and making this thing happen. What is it about building in public and specifically about building the web 3.1 unconference this model this Dao that you're pressing forward with? That is attractive?
45:39
Oh, God so much. You know, first of all, I want to say up front that as with the moment, when I decided that we were going to do web 2.1, and we literally put it together in a week. You know, I just was overwhelmed with fear. I battled fear of failure my whole life. I don't want to look a fool. I speak a lot. So I don't follow the blanket advice either. So I kind of do with like, I guess I've become comfortable with it. But what I recognize is that, over the years, being vulnerable in that way, and being open about it has served me so much better. I haven't shared this story a lot. But, you know, when I was younger, particularly in high school, and whatever, I got away with a lot of white flies to get away with not doing my homework to get out in fifth there wasn't prepared for, and stuff like that. And there was a point where I went on a vision quest in the middle of the desert in 99. So when I was about 30, and I just said, I'm never going to do that. I'm like, but we got to like, you know, be truthful. And I read Don Miguel Ruiz book before agree, which is just an incredible sort of inspiration to understand how can we have personal freedom, and, you know, one of the most important elements of it, the first one was, be impeccable with your work. So anyway, so that's what I just kind of adopted at that time. And then social media started coming around. And, you know, like, it just kind of fit like a glove on who I am and who I become. But in terms of learning in public and doing the web three, one thing, it's just the best way, because so many environments of learning, people feel ashamed, or they don't feel they can speak up and ask a question. I mean, you know, that's how many business cards have we've been on where, you know, somebody's talking about something, and you can see around the room, half the people have no idea what's going on, and no one's even gonna ask about it. Because they don't want to be the ones who look like they don't know what's going on. So to normalize, the fact that we are always learning to normalize, the fact that you don't know something until you know, is a really important sort of behavioral norm we need to establish in society. So it's also as you saw with, you know, Social Media Club, it's also a powerful way to bring more people along with you. Because as you learn, and as you share, what you learn and what you find out, particularly when you're able to address like, the internal psychology that prevented you from understanding it before, and that resonates with people. It allows people to get past their own stuff, and see themselves in that position of being able to be a change agent, being a way maker of trying new things. And the one thing that really always kills me, and I know so many people in the world of business, is when you're trying to explain to somebody how they can do something new and wonderful. And you don't have to waste a week of labor getting something done anymore. It can be done in an hour, and their responses. That's not how we do things around here. Oh, my God, I just hate them so much. Because there is a better way. And and that's actually one of the bigger issues here is that one of my other beliefs is that if we know better, we should do better. And why don't and you know, to ask that third question is really the one. And then this idea. By the way, one last thing here. A more powerful question that one of my mentors Bill Leiter, has written this great book, Mastering your balance. It's a protocol practice that he uses that actually formed. Our theme really, is this what will it take process? By asking this? What will it take to deliver on the promise of web three, we can get past people's self limiting beliefs and tap into this neuro psychology sort of component of it all, to allow for conversations and opinions and minds to be open to try to do new things to improve upon what we already have.
And I guess it's finally one other thing and I saw this done in Australia as an EIR know, there's so many cool things they do in Australia. We just don't have like, kill switches on outlets. Like, it's like, why don't we have it? Well, because different cultures develop different systems and not yada yada. But there are so many people who have solved amazing problems with the environment, with with agriculture with so much. And it's just a matter of the knowledge and the wisdom not being evenly distributed. So the other thing about being open here, is it gets us that chance to have a wider distribution of the knowledge. And now the wisdom. And that's why to your credit, Jennifer, when we were talking last week, we recognized it wasn't about getting 3100 People with New Orleans. It was about getting together the other educators, evangelist and entrepreneurs to work together on how do we solve for these problems? How do we instill ethics in the design? How do we do all these different things to like, make it work for ourselves and society? Not just for the speculators and the already welcome?
50:59
Well, I'm to your point, Chris, sorry, not to interrupt. But there's like, transparency thing that has happened, where things in a decentralized supposed to be open source, platform has been community has become not that way. Right? What we're experiencing now is a lot of top down, non decentralized, where it conglomerate 1% sort of push towards, I'll be honest with you, there are Dargan that are purposely engineered for it to like IPO and Ico sound similar because it was purposely a PR play to make sure that those sound a bit confusing and somewhat similar. So people have that same feeling that that's what it means. And so I'm like, candidly, I actually think the thing that this community in particular can benefit from the most right now at this important time is transparency, openness and care. People that care more.
52:01
I love that so much the both of you what you're saying there, it really speaks to me in so many ways. And it really stays true to that, that core mission. If you get it, share it and learn, share, grow, which I'm such a fan of. And I know back data, you're there. If you have a question, go ahead and jump in before I asked my next question. Go ahead.
52:19
Yeah, thank you so much. So first of all, listening the panel is so so good, actually, you know, especially Chris. So fluid, so moving, wonderfully putting the words and words of wisdom. So it's absolutely brilliant. And of course, Tina as well. Chris, you mentioned a couple of things. One, you mentioned Australians, they do so many things. So they also have educators as their pets. So they play with alligators to just Just FYI, thing.
52:49
You talk about
52:50
the capitalists, the change capitalist species or change element. I love that point, especially around this technology, innovation, and what's so many things going on. So we need to understand how this change is going to actually transform or transition from today to tomorrow. And going back to the conference, sorry, the web 3.1 And conference. So I love the idea. I love what is being visioning and Hall is going to actually put together to ensure that we target the right people to discuss the right things, and structure and format, unconventional which means nothing but to bring the ideas openly freely, that's going to actually make so much difference. So my point is here, which I'm actually alluding to, is when when we look at the blockchain, NF Ts, especially we're talking about the artists, the musicians, the painters, the the songwriters, the singers. Now, those are absolutely crucial in today's NF T's world. And of course, going forward to what about the enterprises and organizations, you know, coming from the retail space, service industry, financial industries, financial sectors, how they're going to actually look at the NFT s blockchain perspective to, for me, or re evolved their business model to cope with this new changing world, which is happening so quick and so fast. Are you planning to also bring those ideas on in your unconference? 3.1? Web 3.1 as well? Yes,
54:29
absolutely. That's been a big part of it. And, you know, I spent a couple of years in my program as an IBM futurist and around the future of work. And, of course, that's what I was doing at Deloitte. Two, we were trying to advocate for what we then called social business as an evolution of social media. It was also referred to as enterprise 2.0. And so much more. You know, I started reading Fast Company with like the first issue and I can't remember if it was 9596 or 97, but I was with that community for a long time. In the company of friends. And so change agents are, you know, really my first love? Because it's the pioneers, the rebels and people who believe the world could be different, it could be better. And to see that, what is it what always has to be right. And the enterprise is really where a lot of that happens. And for the last year, I've been working with a couple of my mentors in the program called wave makers. And it's the idea of making a new kind of change agent, if you will, we didn't really have much of a definition for it when we started. But that whole conversation has been around digital transformation and what's missing there. And it turns out that those conversations, were really instrumental in getting to the point of being ready to talk about this web three technology and what's going on here. Because when we started looking at high performing organizations, the one thing that got distilled in a lot of things that got distilled in a lot of stuff, we can share it, you can find a bunch of it on the on YouTube underway, makers hashtag, there's links to it all over elsewhere, there's not that many links all over by the way, we didn't get a big audience on it or anything but very powerful conversation. And anyways, what we found was the trait that was in common across all the high performing organizations we looked at was it there was a co ownership, a sense of CO ownership in the organization and its mission. And it started with that clarity of vision that shared values that help people together, common purpose common objectives. And, you know, this was my startup that I worked on in 13. Getting people aligned. Well, what gets people aligned? Well, having a shared fate, as Jeremiah language said, but more than that, co ownership. And that was really got interesting. So definitely looking at bringing a lot of these principles to play in there. A lot of existing businesses, you know, they're getting into NF T's, now they're trying to deal with accounting issues isn't an asset, liability, whole bunch of other issues around it, they're likely not going to change their governance structures. But there are some really interesting things in loyalty programs. And, you know, we've been talking to a couple of people and we'll fight hope Jamie is going to talk about this right Crispin, about digital twinning. And some of the things that can be done. And digital twinning is the idea that if you buy an expensive car handbag or something else, you'll get a digital twin, which is basically a certificate of ownership for authenticity in the form of an NF t. And then there's different things that you can do with now, one of the great things is at the basis of smart contracts is that you can pretty much write any kind of business logic or rules into it that I want. So it's not necessarily held to, you know, it can only be this or it can only be that or it's only the artist or the other stuff. So there's going to be a lot of innovation around this face. It's not the focus of it right now. Because the focus of it right now is to bring together the people who want to make that change, who want to ask those questions. And to your point earlier, that's why the unconference is there. So there's definitely going to be one track for enterprise, which means that on the first that there will be a series of slots put open for people to talk about. And there will be a kind of kickoff sort of keynote, and again, the World Cafe and some networking. So it'll definitely be a part of it. It's just not the full focus of
58:33
Great, thank you so much for this good, excellent,
58:35
lovely, Oh, you're very welcome. Thanks for the kind words.
58:39
You know, you talk about who it's for and the different aspects, I think sometimes folks think, well, is this for me? Or is this the only time that this is going to happen? Can you give kind of like that long range view of where the web 3.1 unconference is going beyond just what's happening on March 1.
58:55
Don't want to give anyone any ideas, but I did registered 311 What web three one, but I'm sorry, web 311 dot live web 312 dot live, and I think web 313 dot live. So I just wanted to have access. But you know, what I'm really hoping to do is that this is the launch point for a new community. And as you know, you know, and part of part of the other reason for moving into social media was simply that, and part of the trickiness of doing left three, one even was this idea of there being a version of the web, it's kind of preposterous, but it's very helpful as a sort of symbol, as a social object as a kind of common language that people can use to see each other and to recognize each other. Unfortunately, at the beginning, it's also exclusionary and can people you know, Rose brought up the good point, what does it Forgive me and I didn't get the answer that before, but it means a lot of different things. And that's still emerging, which is why I just think of it as a big flag that's kind of in front of this never next revolution, which is also why it's so important to get Get more humans involved, everyday people as opposed to just the engineers, so we can avoid things like the AI bias problems we have in facial recognition, and some of the other stuff by raising these issues a little sooner, and having those voices heard in those rooms, right?
1:00:16
Well, that's gonna say, I think that's what's one of the most important pieces to is that this is not going to be our hope it doesn't turn into a fanboy club of everything. Web three, right? I feel like there's some opportunities for naysayers or people who don't quite feel comfortable. We have a friend who's really worried about the privacy and the lack of, you know, anonymity on the web. And he's like, I don't want everything on the blockchain, I don't want to be tracked to that level. And so I feel like there's gonna be an opportunity for us to bring in voices from all different not just backgrounds and experience levels, but also viewpoints. And not just, you know, based here, it's like, how does this impact various countries and, and sectors. And I think that's one of the most exciting things, and Chris jokes about the URL, and all that. But I do hope that this is something that we continue to build on. And whether it means a versioning exercise or it'll use, you know, just the web three, one, whatever that happens to be, I mean, eventually web web two Dotto got any web two, one got renamed to social media. And so whether we call this the metaverse, whatever it is, I think there's some of that that's gonna come through and we need to kind of, you know, gather around and come to terms with. But I think that the different voices pro and con are going to be really critical.
1:01:35
I agree. We can't just be all one way, right? We've got to have the discussion, to have the pros and cons discussed. And that's one of the things that I talked to folks about what three I'm like, yes, it's like the Wild West. Yes, it's very exciting. But on the Wild West, it wasn't just that you were staking your claim, it wasn't just that you could forge your own path. It was also that you could get robbed, you could get killed, or you could wind up on the Oregon Trail. So I'm trying to let folks know it's not all Wine and Roses. Yes, there's amazing opportunity. And we can forge a path where everyone who wants to benefit from it can benefit together, we can all learn, share grow together. But we also can't lose our common sense at the door. We can't just forget all of the practice and training that we've had with web one and web two, that not everybody's out there who wants positive things in our lives. Some folks want negative things in our life. So I appreciate the fact that folks can come in and say and be the naysayers and it's totally okay. Oh,
1:02:27
well, we have to we have contrarian voices. And we have to find a way to talk with each other about it. That's a broader issue. But I want to just close out the the earlier question with one other thing, which is the it's not going to be called Web three, two years, isn't going to take two years, five years, 10 years, as usual, the adoption is going to be spiky across society, the adoption is going to be spiky across departments inside enterprises, there's going to be people who get it, who feel like they have the ability to risk trying to do something, and be those people who actually make it happen. And, you know,
1:03:06
not to throw a curveball. But there's also web for looming, you know, just heads up that quantum computing is arriving. And it's probably going to create ripple effects all over the industry. And there's already discussion about how the people are not investing in quantum start again, and knowledge and security, especially on the blockchain. They're already behind.
1:03:35
Yep, yep.
1:03:37
Oh, man. Oh, man.
1:03:40
You know, look, there's a lot of other names for this right now that people are advocating for, you know, right now, I'm leaning into the CO ownership economy. Because I think that explains it. And if you look back, again, from sharing economy, to co ownership economy, is very similar, right, sharing something and CO owning it. But the actual rights that are conveyed along with whatever that object or property or, you know, license or right is, is a vastly different thing when you have a sense of owning, as opposed to just using it.
1:04:17
Very powerful. We're we're going to begin to wrap up any last questions from anyone? I know we've covered a lot. And so I'm going to I'm going to ask Tina and then Christy, and then Chris. Last, we're going to be doing these every single week leading up to the actual web 3.1 unconference? So if you come back every Friday at this time, we're going to have more sessions, more discussions, more conversations, invite your friends. And so last thoughts Tina for this kickoff to the countdown to web 3.1 3.1 unconference
1:04:47
I'm just really excited to be here. Excited to be able to co host and I'm just super happy to see people interested in caring leadership transparency, openness, collaboration, co creation elevation is just exactly what I to be honest, a lot of people I know are looking forward to, because there is a lot of noise and there is a lot of confusion there are a lot of people getting hurt there's a lot of people profiting at the expense of other people and this is exactly that moment when we can actually use some community
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Yeah, I think that's what excites me the most to and this is not a I was thinking about is like, you know, as we go down this journey, the opportunity to learn together that was the one of the things that just made me so happy back in the mid 2000s. When we were you know, unwrapping the whole potential of web two is the opportunity to learn with one another that whether you had more knowledge about one thing and I knew more and something else or whatever, but
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